VOLUME 3

AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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we their prayars better then the pore laye mens / then for their disgysynges and ceremonies? ye and what other vertue se we in the holiest of them / then to wayte vppon dumme supersticious ceremonies ?

125/6 the wild Irish and the welch. Cf. CWM 6/1.236/33–237/ 2. The Norman-Welsh churchman Gerald of Wales (c1146—c1220) visited Ireland with Prince John in 1185, and Wales with the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1188. Gerald does not comment on theft among the Irish, but he observes of the Welsh, "This nation conceives it right to commit acts of plunder, theft, and robbery, not only against foreigners and hostile nations, but even against their own countrymen." Cf. History of the Conquest of Ireland, tr. Thomas Forester, and Description of Wales, tr. Richard Colt Hoare (p. 509) in The Historical Works of Giraldus Cambrensis, ed. Thomas Wright (London: Bell, 1892). Because they had been guilty of theft and arson, the Irish, Scots, and Welsh were not admitted to Cambridge in 1429 without providing sureties against disorderly conduct, cf. Williams 243. Keith Thomas (115 and n3) cites no other source for the "widely inappropriate" prayers of the Irish and Welsh than this passage from More. Falstaff would later justify his foray into highway robbery: "Why, Hal, 'tis my vocation, Hal. 'Tis no sin for a man to labour in his vocation," 1 Henry IV 1.2.92–93 (performed 1596–97, published 1598). Tyndale was born near the marches of Wales, where thieves were formally cursed by the locate curates (Obedience N8v). Glanmor Williams (334, 496, 497) notes the powerful curses of the clergy at the shrines of St. David in Pembrokeshire and St. Derfel in Merionethshire.

Yee and how cometh it that a poore laye man hauinge wife and .xx. children and not able to fynde them / though all his neybours know his necessite / shall not gett with bedgynge for Christes sake / in a longe somers daye / ynough to fynde them .ij. dayes honestly / when iff a disgysed monster come / he shall with an houres lyenge in the pulpit / gett ynough to fynde .xxx. or .xl. sturdy lubboures a moneth longe / of which the weakest shalbe as stronge in the bely when he cometh vn to the manger / as the mightiest porter in the weyhousse or best courser that is in the kynges stable? Is ther any other cause then disgisynge and ceremonyes? For the dedes of the ceremonies we count better then the dedes which god commaundeth to be done to our neyboure at his nede. Who thinketh it as good a dede to fede the pore / as to stecke vpp a candle before a poste or as to sprencle him selfe with holy water? Nether is it possible to be other wise / as longe as the significacion is lost. For what other thinge can the people thinke / then that soch deades beordeyned of god / and because as it is euident / they serue not our neyboures nede / to be referred vn to the person of god and he though he be a spirite / yet serued therwith? And then he can not but forth on dispute in his blynde reason / that as god is greater then man / so is that dede that is appoynted to serue god greater than that whych serueth man. And then when it is not possible to thinke them ordeyned for nought / what can I

125/9–10 Prayar . . . awaye. Cf. Mark 13.33, Luke 18.1.

bedgynge] begging 1573

125/26 the soules ... to perish. Cf. 1 Cor. 8.11.

125/30 Abraham and Melchisedec. Cf. Gen. 14.16, 20, Heb. 7.2.