VOLUME 3

AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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And as for there raylynge loke in their excomunicacion / and se whether they spare kinge or emproure or the testament of god. And as for obedience to father and mother / Nay / they be immediatly vnder god and his holy vicar the pope / he is their father and on his ceremonies they must wayte. And as for vnthankefull / they be so kynde / that if they haue receaued a thousand pound londe of a man / yet for all that they wold not receaue one of his offspringe vn to a nightes herber at his nede / for their founders sake. And whether they be vngodly or no I reporte me vn to the parchment. And as for churlishnesse / se whether they will not haue their causes venged / though it shuld cost hole regions / ye and al christendome / as ye shall se and as it hath cost halfe christendome all redie. And as for their promise or trucebreakynge / se whether any appoyntement maye endure for their dispensacions / be it neuer so lawfull / though the sacrament were receaued for the confirmacion. And se whether they haue not broken all the appoyntementes made betwene them and their founders. And se whether they be not accusers and traytours al so of all men / and that secretly and of their very awne kynges and of their awne nacion. And as for their heedinesse / se whether they be not prone / bold and runne hedelonge vn to all mischeue / with out pitie and compassion or caringe what misery and destruccion shuld fall on other men / so they maye haue their present pleasure fulfilled. And se whether they loue not their lustes / that they will not be refrayned from them ether by any law of god or man. And as for their apperaunce of godlynesse / se whether all be not gods seruice that they fayne / and se whether not

152/24 S. Hierom. Jerome admonished Oceanus for interpreting 1 Tim. 3.2 in a restrictive manner, i.e., as excluding from ordination those who had been married before Baptism and then, after Baptism and as widowers, married once more. Against this exclusion, Jerome appeals to the widespread practice of admitting such remarried men to orders. For Jerome, to take account of their first marriage is tantamount to questioning the baptismal re-creation of the person. Cf. Ep. 69, To Oceanus (AD 397), Par. 2–5 (PL 22.654–59; CSEL 54.680–89; 2NPNF 6.142–45). Tyndale takes Oceanus as representing a Roman practice of excluding the remarried , which More had claimed was universal, based on the patristic interpretation of 1 Tim. 3.2 (CWM 6/1.304/13–305/30). The facts pointed out by Jerome undercut More's case for an early Christian preference for a celibate clergy. (JW)

152/26–27 clargye . . . two wyues. Cf. 1 Tim. 3.2.

152/31 misteries of wekednesse. Translation of mysterium iniquitatis, 2 Thess. 2.7.

153/2–3 vnto him that hath no helpe/is there one helpe / to loke for no helpe. This is Tyndale's version of Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem, "The one safety of the conquered is to hope for no safety" (Aeneid 2.354); John Bartlett, Familiar Quotations, 15th ed. (Boston: Little, Brown, 1980) p. 105, no. 2. Elizabeth McCutcheon calls attention to the quotation and gloss on Virgil in Tyndale's second letter to Frith in the Tower (cMay 1533): "[T]o look for no man's help, bringeth the help of God to them that seem to be overcome in the eyes of the hypocrites" (Foxe 5.132) in "Prison Letters of More and Tyndale," WCS 248 and n12.

153/5–6 he that . . . preest. Cf. CWM 6/1.305/7–9.

153/7–8 if . . . aftir marie. Cf. CWM 6/1.310/8–9. More does not mention that Greek canon law forbids a priest to remarry after his wife dies, but he does acknowledge that Greek tradition prohibits an unmarried man from marrying once he has been ordained. In 692 the provincial council of Trullo affirmed that married deacons and priests could keep their wives (Canon 13) (FJO 159, 163; 2NPNF 14.371), but that the wife of one chosen to become a bishop must retire to a monastery (Canon 48) (FJO 160; 2NPNF 14.388). The Latin Church recognizes the customs of the Oriental Churches regarding a married clergy, cf. Gratian, Decretum, Part 1, Dist. 31, Ch. 14 (CIC 1.115).

153/8 iff he burnt. Cf. 1 Cor. 7.9.

153/12–13 kyngdome . . . drynke. Rom. 14.17.

153/14 kepinge of the commaundementes. Cf. Matt. 19.17.

153/15–17 as meate . . . degrees. Cf. CWM 8/1.74/11–12.