VOLUME 3

AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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KEY Commentary Side Textual Bibliographic Scriptural

or an asse with out vnderstondinge.

PSALMS: 32.9: 8/27–28, 150/32–33

8/19–28 Wherfore . . . vnderstondinge. CWM 8/1.130/16–24.

8/27–28 oxe . . . vnderstondinge. Cf. Ps. 32.9.

Iudge therfore reader whether the pope with his be the church / whether their auctorite be aboue the scripture: whether all they teach with out scripture be equalle with the scripture: whether they haue erred / and not onlye whether they can. And agenst the mist of their sophistrye take the ensamples that are past in the olde testament and autentike storyes and the present practise which thou seist before thyne yies. Iudge whether it be possible that any good shuld come out of their domme ceremonies and sacramentes in to thy soule. Iudge their penaunce / pilgrimages / pardons / purgatorye / prayinge to postes / domme blessinges / domme absolucyons / their domme pateringe and howlinge / their domme straunge holye gestures with all their domme disgysinges / their satisfaccions and iustefyinges . And because thou findest them false in so manye thinges / trust them in nothinge but iudge them in al thinges. Marke at the last the practise of our fleshlye spiritualtye and their wayes by which they haue walked aboue .viij. hundred yeares / how they stablish their lyes / first with falsifiynge the scripture / then thorow corruptinge with their riches wher of they haue infinite treasure in store: and last of all with the swerde. Haue they not compelled the emperoures of the erth and the greate lordes and hie officers to be obedient vnto them / to dispute for them and to be their tormentoures / and the samsumims them selves do but imagen mischefe and inspire them. Marke whether it were ever truer then now / the scribes / pharises / Pilate / Herode / Caiphas & Anna / are gathered . to gether agenst god & Christ. But yet I trust in vayne / and that he that brake the

8/29 Iudge . . . church. Cf. CWM 8/1.131/18–19.

8/30 whether their auctorite be aboue the scripture. Later (188/ 3n, 213/22), lyndale refers to Unio Dissidentium, a patristic anthology on Reformation topics. The handbook (UD 1.X2) contains an excerpt from Ep. 82, Augustine to Jerome (AD 405) on the supremacy of Scripture, 1.3 (PL 33.277; CSEL 34/2.354; Parsons 1.392). For further statements on this theme by Augustine, cf. 135/31–33n.

8/30–32 whether . . . can. CWM 8/1.132/23–25.

8/32–9/1 And agenst . . . yies. CWM 8/1.134/28–30.

9/2 domme ceremonies. Cf. CWM 8/2.638/27–31.

9/3 purgatorye. Tyndale refers to purgatory in his other major works: as an invention of the pope to gain money (Obedience K2v, L2, N5v, T1), as an extension of papal power (Prelates E5), as lasting as long as hell (1 John C1v), as no more real than Utopia (Matthew k1). Early in 1529 the lawyer Simon Fish produced a pamphlet against financial exactions by the church entitled A Supplicacyon for the Beggers (Appendix B, CWM 7.412–22). Later that same year, More published two editions of The Supplication of Souls, a dramatic monologue spoken by the souls in purgatory "To all good Crysten people" (CWM 7.111–228). Still later, John Frith published A disputacion of purgatorye (Antwerp, 1531) STC 11386.5, a wellorganized attack against the arguments of Rastell from reason, More from Scripture, and Fisher from the Fathers.

9/4 prayinge to postes. Veneration of relics of the true cross on Good Friday originated in Jerusalem, and was introduced at Rome by the mid-7c. The custom is still observed by Roman Catholics. The presider and two attendants hold a replica of the cross for the faithful to honor by genuflecting before it and kissing it (NCE 6.621–24, esp. 622–23). More calls the procession "creeping to the cross" (CWM 8/1.150/5–6). For the wooden statue of Our Lady of Willesden, cf. 124/27–28n.

9/1–8 Iudge . . . thinges. CWM 8/1.135/21–28.

9/10 aboue .viij. hundred yeares. Cf. CWM 8/1.152/9–10, 368/24–25. This is the first reference in Answer to Tyndale's position that the fall of the church, the beginning of papal and hierarchical misrule with the ascendancy of error on faith and good works, began eight hundred years before. Although this period coincides with the rise of Islam, Tyndale refers particularly to the anointing of Pepin III, the father of Charlemagne, by Stephen II (pope, 752–57) in 754 (Prelates D7r—v), which signified the alliance with the Franks that was basic to papal claims to territories in Italy. (JW)

9/8–13 Marke . . . swerde. CWM 8/1.136/4–8.

DEUTERONOMY: 2.20: 9/16

9/16 samsumims. The Zamzummims supposedly were giants who lived in a region later claimed by the Ammonites, cf. Deut. 2.20.

9/13–17 Haue . . . inspire them. CWM 8/1.137/7–10.

Matt. 27.17–26, Mark 15.1–15, Luke 23.1–25, John 18.29–19.16: 9/18

MATTHEW: 23.13–29: 9/18,42/26

LUKE: 23.7–12: 9/18

JOHN: 18.13–14,19–24: 9/18

9/18 scribes / pharises. For the opposition of scribes and Pharisees to Christ as anticipating persecution by Catholics of reformers, cf. Matt. 23.13–29. Pilate. Cf. Matt. 27.17–26, Mark 15.1–15, Luke 23.1–25, John 18.29–19.16. Herode. Cf. Luke 23.7–12. Caiphas & Anna. Cf. John 18.13–14, 19–24.

PSALMS: 2.2: 9/18–19

9/18–19 gathered to gether agenst God & Christ. Ps. 2.2.

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