AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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ked at the later end / but that he repent and resyst not the spirite of god whych openeth lyght vnto the worlde.	14/30–15/5 Iudas ... choked. Cf. CWM 8/1.179/20–26. ACTS: 7.51: 15/5–6 15/5–6 repent ... worlde. Cf. CWM 8/1.180/14–15; resyst ... god. Cf. Acts 7.51.
¶Why he vseth thys word elder and not prest	15/7 elder and not prest. Cf. CWM 6/1.285/36–286/25. Tyndale translates presbyteros as "seniour" in Mammon A4 and as "senior" or "elder" in Obedience D1v ff, M3v.
Another thinge which he rebuketh ys that I interprete thys greke word presbiteros by this word senior. Of a truth senior is no veri good english / though senior and iunior be vsed in the vniuersities: but there came no better in my mynde at that tyme. How be it I spyed my faute sens / longe yer M. More told it me / and haue mended it in all the workes which I sens made and call it an elder. And in that he maketh heresie of it / to call presbiteros an elder he condemneth their awne olde latine texte of heresye also / which they vse yet dayly in the church and haue vsed / I suppose / this .xiiij. hundred yeres. For that texte doeth call it an elder lykewyse. In the .v. chaptre of the first of peter / thus standeth it in the laten texte. Seniores qui in vobis sunt / obsecro ego consenior / pascite qui in vobis est gregem christi. The elders that are amonge you I besech whych am an elder also that ye fede the flocke of christe / whych is amonge you. There ys presbyteros called an elder. And in that he saith fede christes flocke / he meaneth euen the ministres that were chosen to teache the people and to enforme them in gods worde and no laye persones. And in the seconde epystle of Ihon saith the texte / senior electe domine et filijs eius. The elder vnto the electe ladye and to here chylderen. And in the .iij. epystle of Ihon. Senior Gaio dilecto. The elder vnto the beloued Gaius. In these .ij. pystles presbiteros ys called an elder. And in the .xx. of the actes / the texte sayth:	15/8–13 Another ... elder. CWM 8/1.182/8–14. M. More condempneth the laten texte. 1531 15/14–17 And in that ... lykewyse. CWM 8/1.183/12–15. .v. chaptre of the first of peter] .1. Pet. 5. 1573 1. petri .5. 1531 1 PETER: 5.1–2: 15/19–20 15/19–20 Seniores qui in vobis sunt / obsecro ego consenior / pascite qui in vobis est gregem christi. Tyndale's quotation of 1 Pet. 5.1–2 is close to the Vulgate, which adds ergo after Seniores, omits ego, and uses dei instead of christi. Tyndale could have made a stronger argument against More by quoting Erasmus' 1522 NT, Presbyteros qui inter uos sunt, obsecro, qui sum & ipse presbyter. Out of the five Latin quotations in this section, two follow the Vulgate (15/19–20, 16/1) and three Erasmus' 1522 NT (15/26, 15/27–28, 16/4). presbyteros] ed., presyteros 1531, Presbyteros 1573 15/17–22 In ... elder. CWM 8/1.184/11–15. 15/20–25 The elders ... persones. CWM 8/1.186/18–22. seconde] 2. 1573 ij. Iohan 1531 eius] 1573, beius 1531 2 JOHN: 1.1:15/26 15/26 senior electe domine et filijs eius. Tyndale's quotation of 2 John 1.1 follows Erasmus' filijs (1522 NT) rather than Vulgate's natis. iij. Iohan 1531 3 JOHN: 1.1:15/27–28 15/27–28 Senior Gaio dilecto. Tyndale's quotation of 3 John 1.1 follows dilecto of Erasmus' 1522 NT rather than charissimo of the Vulgate and Erasmus' 1516 NT. pystles] Epistles 1573 Actes .20. 1531
paule sent for maiores natu ecclesie / the