VOLUME 3

AN ANSWERE VNTO SIR THOMAS MORES DIALOGE

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KEY Commentary Side Textual Bibliographic Scriptural

feccion. And shortely where vnto youth is most prone and ready to fall / therof warneth he him with al diligence / even al most or all to gether halfe a dosen tymes of someone thynge. And fynally as a man wold teach a childe that had neuer before gone to scole / so tenderly & so carefully doeth paul teach him. It is a nother thynge to teach the people and to teach the preacher. Here Paul teacheth the preacher / younge Timothe.

17/31–18/13 bewise . . . affeccion. Tyndale asserts that the major orders from subdeacon to pope are offices, not sacraments (Obedience M3). The following citations from the Epistles to Timothy discuss pastoral leadership, not priesthood.

18/11–13 Paul . . . affeccion. Cf. 1 Tim. 5.21–22.

And when he affirmeth that I saye / how that the oylinge and shauinge is no parte of the presthode. That improueth he not ner can do. And therefore I saye it yet. And when he hath enserched thuttermost that he can this is al that he can laye agenst me / that of an hundred there be not .x. that haue the propirties which paul requireth to be in them. Wherefore if oylinge and shauinge be no parte of their presthod / then euermore of a thousand .ix. hundred at the lest shuld be no prestes at all. And quod youre frend wold confirme it with an oth and swere depely / that it wold folowe and that it must nedes so be. Which argument yet / if there were no nother shifte I wold solue aftir an oxforde facion / with concedo consequenciam et consequens. And I saye morouer that their annoyntynge is but a ceremonie borowed of the Iewes / though they haue somewhat altered the maner / & their shauinge borowed of the hethen prestes / & that they be no more of their presthode / then the oyle / salte / spittell / taper & chresom cloth of the substaunce of baptim. Which thinges / nodoute / because they be of their coniurynge / they wold haue preached of necessite vnto the saluacion of the childe / excepte necessite had dreuen them vn to the contrarye.

18/21–23 And when . . .yet. CWM 8/1.196/27–29.

18/23–32 And when ... consequens. Cf. CWM 8/1.197/2–10. Tyndale makes More's frequently repeated phrase an ironic proper name for the Messenger. Confutation renders Answer's "quod youre frend" (18/28) as "quoth your frende" (CWM 8/1.197/7). Later, Answer calls the Messenger "quod he" (147/15,194/14–15).

18/31–32 concedo consequenciam et consequens. "I concede the consequence and whatever is deducible" (tr. PS 3.20n2).Tyndale treats the rites of ordination as a hypothetical cause, "If these rites confer priesthood, then these men are ordained." But Tyndale denies that the rites do confer priesthood. More cites scriptural warrant for the laying on of hands in ordination and thus denies Tyndale 's "consequency" and "consequente" (CWM 8/1.199/2–3, 4, 13). Tyndale refers satirically to logic elsewhere: to the major and minor premise (79/17–18), to- the syllogism (98/24, 160/22; Matthew e1r—v, g3v, o8v). Sometimes Tyndale argues from an effect, which he names a "cause declarative" backwards to the cause. Thus greenery declares that summer is here (199/31); a lunar eclipse indicates that the earth has come between the sun and the moon (Mammon B8v). Thanks to Prudence Allen RSM for advice on Tyndale's use of logic.

18/32–33 annoyntynge . . . Iewes. Cf. Lev. 8.12.

19/3 chresom cloth. A month after childbirth, the mother offered the chrisom-cloth or its cash equivalent to the minister. If the child died within this month, the white cloth used to wrap it at Baptism became its shroud. Cf. David Cressy, "Purification, Thanksgiving and the Churching of Women," in Birth, Marriage, and Death: Ritual, Religon, and the Life-Cycle in Tudor and Stuart England (Oxford UP, 1997) 197–229, esp. 210–11.